I’m not going to be as nice as Drotara…

You are an ignorant huntard. You talk about raw math, but you obviously have no idea how to perform simple calculations. SV pet dps is *easily* in the 15% range. I see this in WWS, dejawow, recount, my own *correctly done* math.

SV Pet dps is not, and never was or will be 1% of our dps. If it were, most people would never even bother with a pet.

You really are being a stupid moron here. Before you start spouting off about people not doing factual research and shite like that, you need to learn to do simple math. What kind of idiot can’t do math and then has the balls to flame someone simply because their numbers didn’t agree with your piss poor results?

My pet numbers came from Recount, uploading combat logs to WWS and WMO. Even theoretical numbers provided through Shandara’s Spreadsheet are higher. If I based numbers of *nothing* but the spreadsheet, it a perfect DPS scenario my pet would do 18% of my damage. But not every fight is Patchwerk.

All my information is based off real data so I am sorry you feel that I am pulling them out of nowhere. Hope you find what you are looking for somewhere else. As for what I write, it has been tested and checked.

When did I say they do no dps? Did I say the pet was dead for the fights. To find out the dps of your actualy pet download an addon like recount. Then tweak it to show your pets dps. Now take any boss encounter you think you did high dps on. Add your pet dsp and your dps then divide that number by your dps number and you have what % of dps your actual pet did. If you are sv or mm spec dominant with zero points into bm [this is the highest dps spec, check Elitist Jerks, sv spec has zero points in bm and mm spec only has points into IAOH] That number is nowhere near 15% for pet dps more towards 1-5%. Raw math does not lie.

I am not going to bother re-typing what I have already typed. You can pick out what you will but you don’t, or refuse to see the big picture.

Well I’m done looking for advice here as it looks like you guys dont do any factual research. The stuff you do come up with is from half truths from Elitist Jerks forms, and even then you get the facts mixed up. When you get people to write columns they should do the actual research to back there facts up.

To all hunters who take there class seriously. Please read everything with a clinical eye and look elsewhere for second opinions. Dont take what is written for fact, even the most delusional people can see truth in…

Is our pet survivability low? Sure, as Zenge has pointed out on the forums, many hard modes are capable of one-shotting pets. And I am in no disagreement regarding PvP or anything. But from a complete PvE standpoint saying they do no DPS is silly.

The point I was trying to make is that they still dont use pets at all and still overshadow BM in dps.

Anyone else want blizzard to remove our dead zone completely and let use shoot mobs in the face. I don’t see a problem with it, it will be like casters our shots will get interrupted and we will still get cleave affects on us. It would completely remove the problem of hunters forced to stack to avoid wipes on trash and bosses. Also give us the ability to stand in the rune that are in melee range of the boss, so we can also have a boost.
As for pvp, to kill us all you do is walk towards us [I know we have kitting ability, but honestly every class has an a ability to counter our kitting and we are still pretty much useless in a dueling environment(blizzard expects us as a class to only arena successfully in fives)]. I would be nice to have the opponent make the choice of weather or not to get up in our business without consequences. Dont get me started with pet survivability in pvp.

In fact on fights like Mimiron your pet is more prone to dying if they are *not* attacking as Bloodthirsty is crucial for keeping a pet alive.

There are very few situations where a pet can’t do anything. Any Hunter ignoring their pet’s ability to DPS regardless of spec is gimping themselves. Almost any situation where I do choose to keep my pet by my side, a BM Hunter would do the same thing.

Saying Blizzard nerfed pets to near uselessness is completely wrong.

Personally I think that MM and SV are flawed because their pet is only less than 1% of their dmg output. I would like to see them manage their pet and keep to their rotation, then I would say bm is the easier spec. I just dont like how blizzard has nurfed pets for them to the point it does not make that much of a difference if they are actively attacking or giving a passive buff next to the hunter. Wolfs have become retardedly good for MM and SV. Pets for hunters should always be 1/3 of your dps in mm and sv, BM more like 1/2 or 2/3’s. It is dumb that pet dmg matters so little for the other two specs.