Well now that we’ve had time to raid, everyone can assess how their DPS is affected. Ferocious Inspiration posted about his guild’s Patchwerk numbers. And it is definitely worth noting that their Hunters are no slouches. We are talking about 3-drake, 5-minute Malygos kills here. Now I am able to post my own Patchwerk numbers. Here is what the final numbers looked like on my Recount:
Update: Here is the WWS report too actually.
This showedModeezy technically doing 200 more DPS than me, but I still ended up on top. And while I don’t think 5k DPS is anything to scoff at, it is without a doubt a DPS decrease compared to 50/21.
My DPS is slightly less than Tyrae over at FI but the numbers are very comparable. Pacmann was very similar to my spec (which happens to be the 2/18/51) except he dropped 1 point out of Improved Aspect of the Hawk. I still haven’t completely re-gemmed yet, as I need to pick-up a few more Agility gems but the market for them is a little nuts right now. But compare those numbers to Tyrae’s guildies in the post I linked above. At the time of his post, they tried to continue running as BM with not awesome results.
Beast Mastery took a huge hit in DPS. Regardless of most personal anecdotes, the math is clear that Beast Mastery got hit hard. Let’s take a look at how my damage broke down for that fight:
Explosive Shot definitely pulled its weight. The number of shots here is important to note because despite the changes, our Naxx run went very well and we managed to get the Heroic: Make Quick Werk of Him achievement. Regardless, we have a few notable things to point out. With the weaving of Explosive Shot, it allowed Auto Shot to provide more damage than Steady Shot due to it’s replacement during the rotation.
The second thing is that Explosive Shot has a huge critical strike chance when specced. As you can see it had a 57% crit rate during the course of the fight.
The third thing is, due to the cooldown reduction, 3 Kill Shots made up more DPS than all of my Serpent Stings. That might have changed if they fight went longer, allowing for more Serpent Sting time, but seeing that my Kill Shots hit for 13k each is kind of fun.
With the respec, I opted to keep my Steady Shot glyph (of course) and my Improved aspect of the Hawk glyph. I replaced the Bestial Wrath glyph the Serpent Sting glyph however. If Serpent Sting only lasted 5 seconds I thought I would have to reapply Serpent Sting too often, possibly holding off on Explosive Shot until it was re-applied.
One thing I made a point to do, which I am sure many people were already doing is refraining from chain-firing Explosive Shot during a Lock and Load proc. One thing I was concerned about in beta was the overlapping Explosive Shots. If your shot is reapplied before all the explosion ticks finish, you will lose the last tick or so when the new shot hits.
To be fair, this might not even be a concern given the travel time of the shot but my rotation during LnL would be ES>Steady>ES>Steady>ES(Non-LnL Shot). I need to revisit a target dummy to see if I can fire them consecutively while at max range without losing any explosion ticks.
So in conclusion, Surival DPS is decent. As good as 50/21 was? Of course not. Blizzard didn’t want it to be. But it’s doing alright. I was honestly expecting to be much lower in the DPS list last night but it all turned out alright. That is to say there are still bugs Blizzard needs to fix. I know Aspect of the Cheetah is triggering the GCD. Kill Shot still has an 8 yard minimum range rather than 5 yards. Things like that.
So how did your DPS tests, raids, etc all turn out? Post your thoughts, comments, Recounts, WWS, etc.
@Dormoon I have ran into the same issue trying to get to the hit cap. You can always use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42996 when you raid. Looking at your armory you could always re-gem to get yourself about 24 more hit as well. It’s not cap but you’d at least see almost a good 2% increase in your hit without touching talents.
@Dro have you seen a difference in the 2/18/51 or 5/15/51 enough to warrant a change?
Please disregard my armory atm threw on as much stamina gear as I had to run into Everlook to grab the Elder and get back out again.
Still haven’t been able to get into 25-man Naxx to do Patchwerk (our server lag stayed messed up through Thursday, so we didn’t get to raid anything until Friday), but from what I have been able to do (25-man Maly & Sartharion 2D, 10-Man Maly & Naxx) I’ve been very pleased with the way the SV build is shaking out.
I was in the 10-man Naxx this weekend with one of our guild’s top-5 DPSers (an Unholy DK) and managed to stay ahead of him on Patchwerk with the new SV build. We’ll be running through Naxx tonight, so I should finally get to see how everything shakes out in 25-man Patchwerk, but at this point it seems safe to say that Hunters are still alive and kicking, and rogues won’t be getting any friends at the bottom of the charts like they hoped they would. ;)
@Khans Since I specced into my current build I haven’t had a chance to test it. As soon as I hit up Patchwerk again or a similar fight I will definitely report on my numbers.
Question do you know if:
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Wyvern Sting – Noxious Stings
Since you’ll probably be using Serpent Stings for the Glyph anyway, these 4 Talents will give you an additional 3% damage to all other shot while the target is stinged. With a bonus CC ability on top. Fair enough.
Wyvern sting is currently “bugged” in that if a mob is immune to the CC portion of it, it won’t apply the damage portion. It used to apply the damage portion of the sting after the big “IMMUNE” popped up, but no longer seems to do this. Sad too, because it does ~3.1k damage over 6 seconds before any scaling. That’s probably worth the GCD and the loss of Noxious Stings for 6 seconds, although you’ll have to carefully watch your rotation to work it in.”
That is still the case. I ask because I’ve noticed a LOT of ppl putting points in Wyvren/Noxious and I couldn’t understand why. Does it now give you 3% more dps overall? Anyone know?
ok im alittle frustrated, im pretty well geared, only epic im missing is ymhelm and shoulders but they are well socketed, im hering the crazy stories of 3k to 5k dps in here but im barely pulling 2.2k dps if that in instances and raids, im doing something wrong or the information here is just way beyond my knowldge of huntership! lol somone please see from my character settings what maybe going on.
Im using ES-SS-SS-SS-EP as my rotation, and doing the ES when in LNL
im actually better geared than some of the guys i see putting up 3k dps in some heroics, and my cat is specced ferocity. Some councel pls im about to really just drop this toon lol.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Alexstrasza&n=Dormoon
@Dormoon
Well there are a few important things to note. Maintaining Serpent Sting to keep your Steady Shot glyph working as well as keeping Noxious Stings effect up.
Also during Lock and Load, go ES – SS – ES to make sure the final tick of Explosive is not over-written. When firing Steady Shots, if you are going to start another Steady Shot but Explosive Shot will finish during the cast time, wait for ES instead. With ES comprising 35-40% of Survival DPS it should be top priority in your rotation.
Alright so heres the scopps and dont hate me, ive tried everything in here, have the exact spec as you drotara and followed the L-N-L procedures and the wyver shoit and nothing still doing 2.2k dps on a dummy and a BM hunter friend less geared than me is almost doing 2.7k of dps while im doing only like 2.3k my shot rotation has been what was mentioned here, eitehr im wearing the wrong gear of gems or something, but can somoone please help we with this.
I used to be marks but thats a mana hig now and BM got nerfed except for when im with my friend who kicks my crap everytime :-( its getting frustrated, but i rally want to be a top 3 at least in groups and right now im sucking up a storm.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Alexstrasza&n=Dormoon
Armory profile:
http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?…
My Last Patchwerk in Naxx10 i went to, i did an stunning 4,496 dps when the fight was over, and i still dont have the Glyph of Explosive shot, and nor did i have as good gear as i have now (i had blues shoulders, the LW Crafted Bracers, Mirror of truth trinket instead of FotFF) so overall pretty much Crafted/Naxx10 gear
can't wait to get Full Naxx25/Ulduar gear and push out 6k dps in that fight!!, or more(in Naxx25 ofc)
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and this hunter is btw just my alt :)
oh and btw Drotara, im really glad you made this Blog, every time i forgets what our Hit cap is, i look at YOUR site, and ive learned quite a few other things from this site, imo just keep up writing more guides on Gear and Ability mechanics! ;)
Idea for next project: "THE good ability, which you never use!"
and another thing, the new Overhauling of this site looks AMAZING!
that detail when i posted my reply, with the Yellow Gradiant disappearing over my post as it got added to the page looked Awesome xD
Just did Patchwerk 25 man 5 minutes ago, did 4886 dps >:)